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New Post 2/2/2008 1:16 PM
  switters
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It's sad. 
It's taken me 40 years to understand that dead people aren't the only things we mourn. Turns out mourning a relationship is in many ways more difficult because of the constant reminders of the other person or the relationship itself when it was good. One thing I was (and still am) an expert at was mythologizing the relationship to the extent that I couldn't see crystal clearly just how miserable I was much of the time.

But yeah: I think I'm in a similar situation. My object of mourning is what I haven't done. But I'm starting to get a little traction against the backslide. Next step: getting some forward movement and establishing some momentum.

Nice to know I'm not alone in my travels. Now if we could just get you to stop hating women. Again.

[ducking]
 
New Post 2/2/2008 3:53 PM
  Michael Kenney
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Re: It's sad. 
Modified By Michael Kenney  on 2/2/2008 5:49:33 PM)

I can't bring myself to ski in Pitkin County.

Copper, Vail, A-Basin....no problem. Summit County is fine.

Pitkin County means Aspen, Snowmass, and the Highlands. The mere thought of going there sends me into a blue funk.

My shrink called it avoidant behavior.

I told him that was nonsense, the reason is because I don't want to be reminded of happier, younger days when I was there with my wife.

He said that's avoidant behavior.

18 fucking years, and still no closure. I've moved on, don't get me wrong. Lived with a girl for 5 years in the late 90s. Having a serious relationship isn't a problem, but I can't even imagine getting married again. I used to hear about "50% of all marriages of people between the ages of blah blah blah blah..."....and think nothing of it. Divorce became a punch line to jokes. I found it sad that marriages were breaking up, but I just didn't realize what a jarring, shattering experience it is until living through it.

When my father died in '99, I mourned. And mourned. He was my buddy. Now I do his job, sit at his desk, and talk about him with people all day long. But I don't get sad just thinking about him anymore. I feel good he made such a mark on the world that years after he's gone people still tell me their personal stories about him. It makes me happy. I'm still sad that he's gone, but talking about him makes me happy. I'm no longer mourning his loss.

Getting divorced in 1990 was the right thing to do. We got married way too fucking young. I was 20, and she was 18. 10 years of marriage later we had both gone through the enormous changes that occur in ones 20s. We grew apart. I don't really miss her, I must admit. What I'm still mourning is the loss of the fun we had for the first 5 years, and that feeling I had when were just married. It felt so solid. "Us against the world" and all that shit. I hate the fact that that feeling is gone. I don't talk about it much with my family, and they know not to bring it up.

Avoidant behavior I guess.

 PS~ I haven't talked to her in 18 years, I can't imagine seeing the ex on a regular basis, and no kids...so I didn't experience sadness reflected.

 

 

 

 
New Post 2/2/2008 6:28 PM
  Keifus
388 posts
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"object of mourning is what I haven't done" 
Modified By Keifus  on 2/2/2008 7:53:04 PM)

One of these days, I'll tell you what it's like to live the fucking dream, pal.

[To all...]  Marriage.  You know, I'm happy overall, and the longer I work at it, the happier I am.  I've invested so much in it by now, that the very thought of turning back is enough to give me chills.  (Luckily for both of us--and any hypothetical other--stubborness eventually finds its own.)   As much as I'm trying to rid myself of empathy, I can envision what it must be like to lose all that, and I'm sorry.

Damn you people.

 
New Post 2/2/2008 7:37 PM
  Nancy Chase
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Re: It's sad. 
Modified By Nancy Chase  on 2/2/2008 9:03:18 PM)

Yep, there are all kinds of grief, and you certainly aren't alone in the mythologizing department.  My grief now is what the divorce has cost my children - from all appearances they seem great, well-adjusted, in fact people are always telling me "they seem to be handling it well" , etc. but I know the reality.  Its like, from the moment they're born you spend so much time and energy as a parent, keeping them safe from harm - and then its like you've just yanked the rug right out from under them.

Oh, and {smack!}

Michael Kenney:  That clean break you have with your ex-wife, I'll never have that because of our kids.  The constant seeing him, having him still in my life despite the fact that we're divorced, Its not much a source of concern for me, because we lost all romantic ties so long ago, that kind of good togetherness feeling you mention - we just became functioning parents together, nothing more.  I'm grateful we have it together that way at least, for our kids.  And once they're finally off to college all that kind of day to day interaction will pretty much come to an end, too. 

Keifus - I'm still a big believer in good marriages.  All of my siblings have strong ones, and they (and you) deserve much praise for it, its definitely something you work at every day.  Its always inspiring to me to witness it, really.

 
New Post 2/3/2008 11:10 AM
  rundeep
324 posts
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You guys are awesome. Really. 

It's hard to see now, because adolescence is so tough for everyone involved, but the open relationship you've maintained is going to help so very much when your kids have their first post high school true love.  

My husband was separated when we moved in together.  (Yes, I know, rebound talk, etc, etc.) But he and his ex had the same kind of cordial relations, and he saw the kids every day.  I run into her from time to time, and though we aren't going shopping together anytime soon, it's not unpleasant. And that, I have been told, has made a huge difference.  15 years later, my stepsons are just fine. Are they a little wary of marriage? Maybe. But they've both had serious relationships in their recent past, and I suspect the younger will marry within 2 years. (He's the kind of guy who will look at his watch, decide it's time to marry, hook up with some perfectly nice if a little wifty girl, have 2 kids and divorce 20 years later because he never really loved her). 

 
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