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New Post 3/28/2008 12:45 PM
  daveto
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Good guys in sports 

This seems to be the grab-bag of sports place, so let's try something else. Two Toronto good guys in sports and would be interested in hearing yours (I know we have Chicago, St Louis, Pittsburgh, Philly, Boston, Toronto, the 'Peg markets covered, among others).

Reed Johnson was cut by the Blue Jays last week. If you're an outfielder, and you don't hit for power, you better be able to run like a gazelle, have a cannon for an arm, and be the owner's grandson or something. I'd never seen Reed Johnson not make the routine, difficult and very difficult play, perfectly. You all know that as an outfielder, if you stand there like a post and move only to catch anything that comes right to you your'e going to end the year with a perfect fielding record. Johnson made the gutsy plays. Short hops to prevent the advance from first to third, dives to steal hits that if missed (they never were) would have been inside-the-park-homers. He backed everything up and ran only at full tilt. He had one great hitting year, everything worked out and he was in the top 10 for most of the year until fading towards the end. Why can a guy do that one year, be in the top two five percent say, and then drop to average the next year? So now at 31 he's finished, maybe. Somebody will probably pick him up, I don't know what he's like in the clubhouse but I imagine good, and he's a perfect example on the field. A manager's gotta love this guy if he's got the luxury and looking for a 5th or so outfielder. Or maybe he's done, who knows. I think he came up with the Jays, so he's a Toronto boy by now. We'll see what happens with him.

Jose Calderon, should have been all-star, recently asked to be made back-up point guard for the Raptors. Jose played his pants off earlier this year, and was putting up Steve Nash type (i.e. near MVP cailibre for a point guard) numbers. We always wondered if he could do it. There's the thing with European players coming over here, they play schedule there of 40-50 games with lots of slow white guys, and when they come over here and have to play 80+ games against the fastest guys on the planet they just can't do it. Jose was doing it. We didn't even know he had a shot, let alone could be a starting point guard, let alone was an all-star calibre starting point guard. But here was the guy averaging 10+ assists to a turnover and a half as a starter .. unheard of basically .. and yet now he wants to be back to being a backup. Because our other guard is back. T. J. Ford is a starter. T. J. Ford said all the right things about coming back and not disrupting the chemistry, but on the court as the backup guy he was a disaster. He didn't tank it, the opposite kind of, he thought he had to do everything, and trusted his fellow second-stringers to do nothing. It was embarrassing. He knew it, threw a couple of tantrums, brought everybody down with him. So what's a good Spaniard to do? Coach can't demote him, and reward the whiner, and yet the team was dying. Jose took one for the team.

 

 
New Post 3/28/2008 1:45 PM
  John McG
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Re: Good guys in sports 

I know that athletes parading their Christianity can get tiresome, and most of them are phonies, but it seems that Kurt Warner is the genuine article.

Even today, when he plays in St. Louis as a visiting player, he holds a coat drive for the poor.

I think the Rams made the right decision in going with Bulger rather than Warner, but St. Louis lost a good guy in the process.

 
New Post 3/28/2008 3:46 PM
  Michael Kenney
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Re: Good guys in sports 
Modified By Michael Kenney  on 3/28/2008 3:47:24 PM)

Reed Johnson was signed by the Cubs, and should split time in center with Felix Pie. If Pie plays like he did last year, we should see plenty of Johnson. If Pie lives up to the early billing, not so much. The Cubs have issues all over the place, so guys like Johnson are just what they need.

Jim Thome from the Sox seems to be one of those guys everyone likes. Never causes problems. Always friendly with press. Does the appearance thing, the charity thing etc with very little fanfare. Quiet, solid citizen.

 
New Post 3/28/2008 8:15 PM
  daveto
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Re: Good guys in sports 

John and Michael, thanks for those.

I like Kurt Warner, but didn't know that side of him. I just remember the MVP (and MVP-like) years, and all that coming out of the Arena league. That's like somebody coming out of the soaps to Best Actor (hmm, wonder if that's ever been done). But you know, the guy could sling it. It's funny, Manning wouldn't have gotten his 49 TD passes if it weren't for Marino's 48, and Brady wouldn't have gotten his 50 if it weren't for Manning's 49. These guys feed off each other, and what the record is is important input into what the new record will be (if you get my drift .. it's like that argument of whether stats affect strategy .. they do). To me, Warner had the potential to hit 50.

Michael, well I hope I've characterized Johnson accurately, the guy just seems really solid to me. I think he falls in love with his slap hitting a bit too much (worrying about the average?), he's got decent gap power. Slightly off topic, Bill James seems like he may be a semi-regular now over at Slate. I always loved the Cubs and the ChiSox (and the Black Hawks and the Bears, who knows why), well James wrote some really interesting and detailed stuff back in his abstract days (early-mid 80s) on the Cubs' penchant for late season swoons. Basically it was playing those day games in the dog days of summer, it just tired you out. Lots of good analysis to go with it, but the stats were rather frightening .. those guys just couldn't win a big game in September, and James was sure he knew the reason why.

Don't know much about Thome, seem to picture him with a pretty major uppercut of a swing. Always wondered with those guys what the tradeoff would be if they leveled it off a bit and settled for fewer homers for more doubles, singles and fewer strikeouts. (May be all wrong re Thome, just a guess. Thanks for the entry.)

 
New Post 3/29/2008 1:18 PM
  Kevin Fournier
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Re: Good guys in sports 

One of the things about Johnson: dude knows how to get hit by a pitch.  Really a very good super-sub outfielder, though -- if we weren't stuck with yet another platoon in left (and if he wasn't a little overpaid), the Jays would have been well served hanging onto him.  (Travis Snider, can't you grow up faster?)

taoofstieb.blogspot.com had some good stuff on Reed getting released.

Other good guys in sports: I'm thinking, I'm thinking...

 

 
New Post 3/30/2008 3:33 PM
  daveto
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I don't blame you for taking your time ... 

 

tough choice.

wonder what they really thought of the 'peg. Or Bobby for that matter.

 
New Post 3/31/2008 6:01 AM
  Kevin Fournier
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Re: I don't blame you for taking your time ... 

Well, I'm thinking more of active guys.  Iginla comes immediately to mind, but I was hoping I could come up with an anecdote.

Disappointing to see Montreal hit by a rash of injuries so close to the playoffs.  It would have been nice to see them extend their "Cup in every decade" streak, time's running out.

 

 
New Post 3/31/2008 8:43 AM
  twiffer
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Re: Good guys in sports 

 daveto wrote

Don't know much about Thome, seem to picture him with a pretty major uppercut of a swing. Always wondered with those guys what the tradeoff would be if they leveled it off a bit and settled for fewer homers for more doubles, singles and fewer strikeouts. (May be all wrong re Thome, just a guess. Thanks for the entry.)

i think big papi's last season is a decent example.  he altered his approach because of his balky knees and sacrificed power.

2006:

558 AB 115 R 160 H  29 2B 2 3B 54 HR 137 RBI 119 BB 117 K      .287 avg .413 obp .636 slg 1.049 OPS

2007:

549 AB 116 R 182 H 52 2B 1 3B 35 HR 117 RBI 111 BB 103 K     .332 avg .445 obp .621 slg 1.066 OPS

not really much of a difference, other than a higher average.  OPS is a bit higher, but not significantly.  20 less RBIs, but that really isn't in the control of the batter.  all in all, since a HR is the best possible result of an AB, it makes sense for a slugger to go for 'em, instead of opting for a single or double.

 
New Post 4/1/2008 5:34 AM
  daveto
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Re: Good guys in sports 

twif, hard to imagine the balky-kneed one with 52 doubles, that would normally be a lot of chugging. (did you see him and bill james et al on 60 minutes on sunday?) interesting that the Ks and BBs didn't change appreciably. he essentially traded 20 homers for 45 doubles and singles. probably hit into a lot more DPs too (just guessing).

 
New Post 4/2/2008 7:04 AM
  Keifus
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Re: Good guys in sports 

OT: hey, Batman, this bud's for you.

 
New Post 4/2/2008 1:37 PM
  daveto
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Re: Good guys in sports 

you're awesome, i'm humbled, glad she enjoyed .. [stumbles out of room, babblying incoherently ..]

 
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