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New Post 3/23/2008 3:50 PM
  Michael Kenney
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Iverson 
Modified By Michael Kenney  on 3/23/2008 3:52:52 PM)

Nancy~

There was a game late in Jordan's career as a Bull, which is to say late in his career since the Wizard's thing doesn't count, when he was guarding a young Iverson. Typical Bulls defense,  MJ had rotated around and found himself face-to-face in the corner with AI.

Stood there cradling the ball for a second, Jordan in his usual wide stance, one arm reached out almost touching Iverson's chest. Mike was ready to D him UP!!! Problem was, MJ was losing his fast-twich stuff. Iverson gave MJeff a little shimmy-shake thing, shoulders wiggling, leaned forward like he was going to dribble-drive to the rack, threw his left foot forward and his right foot backward,  dribbled the ball once between his scissoring legs....and Jordan almost fell on his ass.

Iverson never actually moved. It was all done while essentially standing still, arms waving, legs scissoring, shoulders shaking, one quick dribble between the legs...but he didn't move. It was a defining moment in Michael Jordan's career. The air got sucked right out of the stadium due to the collective gasp of 18,000 people.

Jordan recovered his footing, and got back up in AI's face, but by then it was too late. Like watching someone fall down and jump up real quick hoping nobody saw. Everybody saw. Including Iverson, who leaned back a little so he could look Jrdan in the face. Eye contact was made. Jordan blushed and Iverson raised his eyebrows as if to say...'See old man? See? That's what I can do..."

After the game, a reporter asked him about it....he was surprisingly humble.

"Naw Michael's still the best. I didn't clown him." (Always liked the way Iverson turned nouns into verbs)

He certainly did clown him. It was hilarious, and I'm chuckling about it just remembering the damned play.

To this day, rabid Bull fans still need be asked little more in conversation than "Remember the night Iverson broke MJ's ankles?"...As someone who saw practically every game Jordan ever played as a Bull, it's my opinion that that was the real beginning of the end for Mike. That play.

I guarantee you Iverson remembers it, and now that he's put a few years on that body he'd probably smirk a little less. Age does that to you I guess.

 
New Post 3/23/2008 5:24 PM
  Nancy Chase
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Re: Iverson 

here's a link to the welcome back he got from the philly fans that evening - doesn't really do justice to how long it went on or how emotional it was -

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZRZiWcwRpqA

 

 
New Post 3/23/2008 7:06 PM
  John McG
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Re: Iverson 

Don't know if you saw my post ont the subject.

Say what you will about Philly fans, but if you bust your ass, there is not fan base that's better to play for.

 
New Post 3/23/2008 8:48 PM
  Michael Kenney
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Re: Iverson 

Hey JMG I was thinking about you buddy. I guess it's kind of wet in St. Louis? Jesus.

 
New Post 3/23/2008 9:52 PM
  John McG
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Re: Iverson 

And it snowed most of the day --  on Easter Sunday!

I'm not near where the flooding is, so we're OK.

 
New Post 3/23/2008 10:00 PM
  Michael Kenney
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Re: Iverson 

We got 6" on Good Friday.  Happy spring!

Glad to hear you're not near the flooding. That looks nasty on TV.

 
New Post 3/24/2008 7:59 PM
  daveto
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Re: Iverson 

Just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed this. I've always liked Iverson, you just get the impression: what you see it what you get. I posted in BOTF once (before your time there, I'm sure) about Iverson's rant upon being disciplined for missing or dogging it or something re practice (so, in front of the cameras: "It was practice, man. Practice. Fucking practice. Practice. I'm there for the games, have you ever seen me not give it all? But this was practice. Practice. Know what I'm saying? Practice." or something like that). So that year he had a song come out (was he singing, i can't remember, or his lyrics or something) and it was really offensive, but you just had the feeling with AI it wasn't all that bad, didn't mean nothing by it sort of thing.

But sure, we witness those moments. The athletes know it too, remember Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard? I've seen Steve Nash embarrassed in the playoffs by Devin Harris and Tony Parker, and that was before him MVP years (as I recall, perhaps Harris was the year of). But sometimes you don't know, they could be just hung over or something. I also remember posting on MJ, he was in the hunt for the scoring championship one of the years in Washington (still shooting an abysmal %, but it was an abysmal team).

 
New Post 3/25/2008 5:13 AM
  Nancy Chase
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Re: Iverson 

john - if you saw the game, Iverson did exactly that (busted his ass) to the delight of the Philadelphia fans.  You know how notoriously loyal Philly fans can be - and how punishingly disloyal...still, every time Iverson nailed a basket (32 times that game) they cheered, it was actually good natured (whats the world coming to)

daveto:  I remember that exchange - he said the word "practice" something like 10 times in his response to reporters, and the coach (cheeks?) said he said practice more than he'd ever attended practice

 
New Post 3/25/2008 8:18 AM
  John McG
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Re: Iverson 

And the Sixers beat the Celtics last night.

Even my dad, whom I would risk "throwing under the bus" by detailing his distaste for the NBA, seems excited about the team now.

After the Sixers traded Barkley, they plummetted.  I'm glad they seem to be recovering quicker from trading AI than that. 

 
New Post 3/25/2008 12:47 PM
  daveto
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Re: Iverson 

John, that's the thing with basketball, so few players, you can turn around a franchise so quickly.

We like to think here in Toronto that the most one-sided trade of all-time was sending Vince Carter to New Jersey for two nobodies who took up a bunch of cap space forever and for the rights to pay 11 million dollars to let Alonzo Mourning our of his Jersey contract so he could play for Miami. That's right, you take Vince and 11 million, we'll take the equivalent of Vince in cap space and two journeyman nobodies. And yet 3 years later we were arguably better than the best we were with Vince.

And you know, if they had a "Least Improved Player" award, Vince's name would be on it a couple of times at least. Just saing is all.

 
New Post 3/27/2008 11:17 AM
  John McG
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Re: Iverson 

I wonder if we've reached a point in the NBA where the system and chemistry matter more than talent.

Oh, sure, if you collect three established stars like the Celtics did, or if you have a superduperstar like Kobe or LeBron, that's enough to make you a winner.  But how much is a mid-level talent like Josh Howard worth?

The Sixers blew out the Chicago Bulls last night.  But look at their starting line-ups.  I'd give the Bulls the edge at every position in talent, save perhaps point guard.  (Though I may be writing from some ignorance -- the Bulls' players were all stars in college for successful teams, save Hughes, who went to SLU here.  I know Andre Miller went to Utah, but I couldn't tell you where/if the other SIxers played college ball). 

My point is, after the top few stars, I don't know if there's a great differential in talent among NBA players, and that the differential that exists can be overcome by a team that plays together with enthusiasm.

It's good to see.

 
New Post 3/27/2008 11:46 AM
  Michael Kenney
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Re: Iverson 

You'd give the Bulls the talent advantage? I wouldn't give them the advantage against any team in the NBA except for the Heat. Deng is about the only guy worth keeping, and his contract thing has his head elsewhere. He gets an Achilles ouchie and sits. Gordon~ No D at all. Hinrich too slow, bad D. Nocioni is as capable of going 3-15 as he is going 7-12. Gooden's a nice add, and Hughes is certainly worthy of some minutes. Duhon is a head case.

The recent trend for the Bullshits has been to give away 14 point leads in the 4th qtr. That's always fun to watch.

The fact that Paxson was able to unload Wallace is a miracle, an absolute miracle.

He's already planning the next rebuild, speaking of systems v talent.

Boylan's gone. Duhon's gone. Deng's gone. Gordon's gone. Hopefully Hinrich. Maybe Nocioni. Problem for Pax as he backs up the truck, is getting rid of these contracts for similar contracts in size, but earlier to expire. Probably the most valuable trade commodity in the NBA now is an old guy with an expiring contract.

 
New Post 3/27/2008 11:55 AM
  Michael Kenney
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Re: Iverson 

Oh and...

Deng-Duke

Gordon- UConn

Hinrich, Gooden- Kansas

Duhon- Duke

Nocioni- Llama University of Argentina

 

The college game often doesn't lend itself to the pro game....Adam Morrison, JJ Reddick, etc etc etc etc etc etc.

 
New Post 3/27/2008 2:18 PM
  John McG
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Re: Iverson 

And.

Noah -- Florida

It's hard to remember a team that had players who had enjoyed this much college success.

 
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